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		<title>By: Deanna Hoak</title>
		<link>http://deannahoak.com/2006/01/31/doing-our-best/comment-page-2/#comment-201279</link>
		<dc:creator>Deanna Hoak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, H.E. It&#039;s always nice to get new comments, even if it is to an older post.

I honestly doubt that what you describe was done by the copyeditor, though--it was far more likely done by an editor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, H.E. It&#8217;s always nice to get new comments, even if it is to an older post.</p>
<p>I honestly doubt that what you describe was done by the copyeditor, though&#8211;it was far more likely done by an editor.</p>
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		<title>By: h.e.blanchard</title>
		<link>http://deannahoak.com/2006/01/31/doing-our-best/comment-page-2/#comment-201278</link>
		<dc:creator>h.e.blanchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New reply to years-old post (will it work?). This is great, as an author (academic, not fiction), this is a great post, really good advice and viewpoint.

But, just to illustrate that there&#039;s a balance of interests and responsibility here, let me relate an ancient story. I was getting the first segment of my thesis published in the major journal of my field. It was thrilling. I had the usual back and forth, more with the editor but with the copyeditor as well, it didn&#039;t help that I had had to define and use two common language terms in a more rigourous manner, but we got through it ok, and I was happy. When I finally send back the last proof (this was the 1980s, no exchange of computer files) I knew what my article would look like, but I still looked forward to the actual physical print, bound journal, which was to come out many months later, of course. This was the first fruits of my work acknowledged in a major vehicle, so of course I was like an enthused kid (well, I was still pretty much a kid anyway). Talk about &#039;wrapping up egos.&#039;

Finally, the journal issue came out. Imagine my chagrin, then, when I discovered that the article was slightly different from the final proof I saw. No, not a footnote - the _title_ of my article was changed! I was dumbfounded. The article had already been cited in other articles and grants with the prevois &quot;incorrect&quot; title. It was not so much the change, but the fact that it was changed without even asking or telling me. In the end, I lodged no complaint and simply ignored it, it was too much of a hassle, and the end result at best would have been an erratum in a later journal, thus a perpetuating the ambiguity about the article&#039;s identity (note, in academics, articles from the same author can have titles differing only by small changes, not a good idea, but done). It might not have been even a big deal (my advisor sniffed at me about it) except it was my first big major publication. Sigh.

It took me a little while to convince myself that every other copy editor out there wasn&#039;t out to &#039;get&#039; me. I&#039;ll skirt a well worn cliche here: respect and cooperation should go both ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New reply to years-old post (will it work?). This is great, as an author (academic, not fiction), this is a great post, really good advice and viewpoint.</p>
<p>But, just to illustrate that there&#8217;s a balance of interests and responsibility here, let me relate an ancient story. I was getting the first segment of my thesis published in the major journal of my field. It was thrilling. I had the usual back and forth, more with the editor but with the copyeditor as well, it didn&#8217;t help that I had had to define and use two common language terms in a more rigourous manner, but we got through it ok, and I was happy. When I finally send back the last proof (this was the 1980s, no exchange of computer files) I knew what my article would look like, but I still looked forward to the actual physical print, bound journal, which was to come out many months later, of course. This was the first fruits of my work acknowledged in a major vehicle, so of course I was like an enthused kid (well, I was still pretty much a kid anyway). Talk about &#8216;wrapping up egos.&#8217;</p>
<p>Finally, the journal issue came out. Imagine my chagrin, then, when I discovered that the article was slightly different from the final proof I saw. No, not a footnote &#8211; the _title_ of my article was changed! I was dumbfounded. The article had already been cited in other articles and grants with the prevois &#8220;incorrect&#8221; title. It was not so much the change, but the fact that it was changed without even asking or telling me. In the end, I lodged no complaint and simply ignored it, it was too much of a hassle, and the end result at best would have been an erratum in a later journal, thus a perpetuating the ambiguity about the article&#8217;s identity (note, in academics, articles from the same author can have titles differing only by small changes, not a good idea, but done). It might not have been even a big deal (my advisor sniffed at me about it) except it was my first big major publication. Sigh.</p>
<p>It took me a little while to convince myself that every other copy editor out there wasn&#8217;t out to &#8216;get&#8217; me. I&#8217;ll skirt a well worn cliche here: respect and cooperation should go both ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Almost there&#8230; - Dissecting Words</title>
		<link>http://deannahoak.com/2006/01/31/doing-our-best/comment-page-2/#comment-200835</link>
		<dc:creator>Almost there&#8230; - Dissecting Words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] going to format my book today and send it out into the world. I thought I’d be a little nervous at this point, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] going to format my book today and send it out into the world. I thought I’d be a little nervous at this point, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Font, yet again at Deanna Hoak</title>
		<link>http://deannahoak.com/2006/01/31/doing-our-best/comment-page-2/#comment-107041</link>
		<dc:creator>Font, yet again at Deanna Hoak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There have been quite a few posts commenting on the best fonts for manuscripts lately. Jay Lake posted in favor of 12-point Courier New (which, by the way, I have talked him into), and then C. E. Petit posted that there is no universally &#8220;correct&#8221; way of formatting, and then Cheryl Klein praised and linked a number of my posts, including the one on helping your copyeditor, but noted that she doesnâ€™t particularly like Courier. Additionally, I know that some agents set things in Times. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There have been quite a few posts commenting on the best fonts for manuscripts lately. Jay Lake posted in favor of 12-point Courier New (which, by the way, I have talked him into), and then C. E. Petit posted that there is no universally &#8220;correct&#8221; way of formatting, and then Cheryl Klein praised and linked a number of my posts, including the one on helping your copyeditor, but noted that she doesnâ€™t particularly like Courier. Additionally, I know that some agents set things in Times. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Heraclitean Fire &#187; Links</title>
		<link>http://deannahoak.com/2006/01/31/doing-our-best/comment-page-2/#comment-2905</link>
		<dc:creator>Heraclitean Fire &#187; Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Doing Our Best at Deanna Hoak &#8220;Several people have requested that I write about what they can do to make the copyeditorâ€™s job easier&#8230;&#8221; (tags: copyediting publishing writing) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Doing Our Best at Deanna Hoak &#8220;Several people have requested that I write about what they can do to make the copyeditorâ€™s job easier&#8230;&#8221; (tags: copyediting publishing writing) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: deannahoak</title>
		<link>http://deannahoak.com/2006/01/31/doing-our-best/comment-page-2/#comment-1208</link>
		<dc:creator>deannahoak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 06:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d read that article before--it&#039;s a very good one.

It can be very difficult for authors to find a copyeditor with whom they&#039;re compatible--one who strengthens their weaknesses without weakening their strengths. Some copyeditors get so caught up in minutiae that they&#039;re unable to see the story as a whole. I always recommend to authors that if they find a copyeditor they really like, they stick with him or her if at all possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d read that article before&#8211;it&#8217;s a very good one.</p>
<p>It can be very difficult for authors to find a copyeditor with whom they&#8217;re compatible&#8211;one who strengthens their weaknesses without weakening their strengths. Some copyeditors get so caught up in minutiae that they&#8217;re unable to see the story as a whole. I always recommend to authors that if they find a copyeditor they really like, they stick with him or her if at all possible.</p>
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		<title>By: pegkerr</title>
		<link>http://deannahoak.com/2006/01/31/doing-our-best/comment-page-2/#comment-1207</link>
		<dc:creator>pegkerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good copyeditor is worth weight in gold.

See my post &lt;a href=&quot;http://pegkerr.livejournal.com/204268.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; on this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good copyeditor is worth weight in gold.</p>
<p>See my post <a href="http://pegkerr.livejournal.com/204268.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> on this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: sylviavolk2000</title>
		<link>http://deannahoak.com/2006/01/31/doing-our-best/comment-page-2/#comment-1206</link>
		<dc:creator>sylviavolk2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many, many thanks for putting this online.   I&#039;m friending you right this very minute (in the presumption you won&#039;t mind).    I knew much of this, but now I know WHY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many, many thanks for putting this online.   I&#8217;m friending you right this very minute (in the presumption you won&#8217;t mind).    I knew much of this, but now I know WHY.</p>
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		<title>By: deannahoak</title>
		<link>http://deannahoak.com/2006/01/31/doing-our-best/comment-page-2/#comment-1205</link>
		<dc:creator>deannahoak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re welcome. And feel welcome to friend away. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome. And feel welcome to friend away. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: dr_pretentious</title>
		<link>http://deannahoak.com/2006/01/31/doing-our-best/comment-page-2/#comment-1204</link>
		<dc:creator>dr_pretentious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found you via  and .  This post is a treasure.  Thank you for being so generous with your experience.  I hope you don&#039;t mind if I friend you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found you via  and .  This post is a treasure.  Thank you for being so generous with your experience.  I hope you don&#8217;t mind if I friend you.</p>
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